Marie-Antoinette
so if you are asked the question "what is the percentage of people you think are happier than you" what would you say?
i thought of the poor, of the homeless, of the orphans, of the oppressed.
and i put 20%.
but that doesn't mean anything.
if you're poor it doesn't mean you're wretched.
i've seen blind legless people happy.
i've seen people with all material and emotional comforts writhing with misery.
in scandinavia, where quality of life is exceptional and equal, suicide rates are high.
and one thing occurred to me:
if your thoughts and lives are not occuppied with real things be they life-problems or plain work, you're bound to reflect on the futility of life until you go mad and drown in your own misery. that's why so many artists/poets/writers/musicians kill themselves after producing works of genius. they simmer their thoughts and feelings to reproduce them in some form of human genius, but cannot live with themselves after glimpsing, tasting and understanding this eternity of futility. so they decide to take arms against a sea of trouble, and to end it all. now if they were too busy trying to survive, they would not think of self-death, no?
so, maybe M, who i will call Marie-Antoinette for now, was right. why do we want to spread equality, enrich the poor, house the homeless, if not to spread happiness?
but is it a given that we would spread happiness that way?
aren't we being somewhat presumptuous about the whole thing?
i'm not talking abt prevention of death, for that's a given, i'm talking abt changing people's lives, presumably for the better. but is it really?
funny, comparing socialism to imperialism/colonialism, but if you look at it that way, there's a bit of a resemblance.
i probably have multiple fallacies in my argument, but i would like to hear your points of view on the matter of happiness and why we want to "right" the world, and not just let it be, a jungle.
i thought of the poor, of the homeless, of the orphans, of the oppressed.
and i put 20%.
but that doesn't mean anything.
if you're poor it doesn't mean you're wretched.
i've seen blind legless people happy.
i've seen people with all material and emotional comforts writhing with misery.
in scandinavia, where quality of life is exceptional and equal, suicide rates are high.
and one thing occurred to me:
if your thoughts and lives are not occuppied with real things be they life-problems or plain work, you're bound to reflect on the futility of life until you go mad and drown in your own misery. that's why so many artists/poets/writers/musicians kill themselves after producing works of genius. they simmer their thoughts and feelings to reproduce them in some form of human genius, but cannot live with themselves after glimpsing, tasting and understanding this eternity of futility. so they decide to take arms against a sea of trouble, and to end it all. now if they were too busy trying to survive, they would not think of self-death, no?
so, maybe M, who i will call Marie-Antoinette for now, was right. why do we want to spread equality, enrich the poor, house the homeless, if not to spread happiness?
but is it a given that we would spread happiness that way?
aren't we being somewhat presumptuous about the whole thing?
i'm not talking abt prevention of death, for that's a given, i'm talking abt changing people's lives, presumably for the better. but is it really?
funny, comparing socialism to imperialism/colonialism, but if you look at it that way, there's a bit of a resemblance.
i probably have multiple fallacies in my argument, but i would like to hear your points of view on the matter of happiness and why we want to "right" the world, and not just let it be, a jungle.

13 Comments:
most of us are not truly happy, its human nature, we want what we dont have and we think the grass is greener somewhere else. i'll continue later my timer just went off.
now, make me happy and come visit asap. thank you.
By
Laila K, at Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:06:00 AM
ok 7ayete as soon as i'm done here
walla this post stirred quite the debate i must say!
By
rouba, at Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:43:00 PM
shi fehshel
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rouba, at Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:59:00 PM
no no rouba
i've been thinking but very busy today. interesting question.
yalla a+..
By
gitanes legeres, at Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:39:00 PM
check my blog
bonne nuit
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gitanes legeres, at Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:01:00 AM
your title caught my eye..pd
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Anonymous, at Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:08:00 PM
i was kinda hoping you'd notice :)
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rouba, at Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:11:00 PM
Rouba, great post-- made me think of many things...
I'm not sure that artists kill themselves because of what they've glimpsed/wrestled with in the process of creating art but because they are starting with fragile mental states to begin with... an underlying feeling of despair, depression, unrest, lability that itself lends a sensitivity guided toward art...
Suicide may be high in Scandinavia, but Americans have the highest prevalence of depression... soon to be the number 1 cause of disability/workdays lost in this country... and in the globalizing process we seem to export our disorder more than happiness... eating disorders did not exist in Guam (substitute any country) until American television arrived, now anorexia rates are the same as the US.
I do believe work is a huge element of stability and structure in our lives; I''ve seen so many people fall apart after retirement...
Happiness is not exportable, in my opinion; but providing basic conditions for human health and well-being (goods, access, peace) and encouraging independent development in societies can be a realistic goal, I think... of course everything is so mixed up with politics and economics, it makes my head spin... :)
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FZ, at Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:09:00 PM
there is anguish that comes with the realisation that we exist alone and we are responsible for all our actions.artists have some(maybe different) insight into that realisation.it is so much more bearable when shared..i always wondered why sitting alone on a bench feels so much different than sitting next to another, even without any exchange of words (doesn't it?) being aware of "foreloneness" (JPS)in the presence of another has some "therapeutic" effect..this has nothing to do with artists killing themselves..but lots to do with regulars as myself not doing it ;) i like to call it love, in all its forms..including loving me.
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Anonymous, at Monday, October 30, 2006 6:14:00 PM
fz i agree that we should all have a fair shot at happiness, and for that you should have better than abject human conditions - to sustain life. but where do we draw the line - and does material comfort (other than life-sustainable material) provide hapiness, clearly not. so i guess i'm playing devil's advocate and questioning socialism (questioning myself 'cause i'm a "socialist"
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rouba, at Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:10:00 PM
pat
shared foreloreness, yes that's what i miss abt IC, that's what kept me going
and love (yes, even loving u :))
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rouba, at Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:17:00 PM
have you become a socialist behind my back???
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Anonymous, at Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:53:00 PM
trying hard but still failing
it may have to do with the clothes..no?
By
rouba, at Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:05:00 PM
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